Sunday, October 20, 2013

Discussion on Chapter 14 - How to Recognize a Poem When You See One


 Fish talks about interpretive communities being the basis of our meaning of text and also the way we write a text is based upon the community we come from.  We do not arbitrarily get meaning from out of the blue it is confided by our literary community.   In his article How to recognize a poem when we see one he opens his statement by saying


“I sketched out an argument by which meanings are the property neither of fixed and stable texts nor of free and independent readers but of interpretive communities that are responsible both for the shape of the reader’s activities and for the texts those activities produced.”

He states that we know what a poem is since our literary community which I see as our background tells us what a poem looks like.  We get meaning form a poem the same we recognize it as a poem.  We use our background knowledge of what people put into poems and we analyze it within that framework.    

He gave several examples of how this community works.  The one I liked was his example of why we know what is happening in a classroom when someone raises their hand.  During one of his classes a student raised his hand and started to wave it.   He asked the class what this student was doing they all replied he wanted permission to speak.  They were all in the same community, the literature class.  If someone was sitting in an elementary classroom then they may say he needs the bathroom and is asking the teacher to go to the bathroom.  The elementary students would be in the elementary community and have a common meaning.  So the same gesture is seen in schools or academic settings.  We all learn these since we are a part of that community.   Our gesture is our text in this case.  Then the meaning we get is also based on our community.  One meaning is from a college community where if one needs the bathroom we would just get up and go, but we still need to raise our hand to speak.   This goes back to his first statement:

“interpretive communities that are responsible both for the shape of the reader’s activities and for the texts”


I would like to know if we are not part of the community who writes the text, but we still read the text will our meanings be valid?  For example, I read poetry but I was never good at getting the hidden meanings.  I really struggled with poetry in high school and I’m sad to say I never studied poetry after high school.  I felt I was not part of the literary community. 

2 comments:

  1. His interpretation is of meaning in a text is interesting. Our communities teach us things and therefore give us background knowledge and that is where the meaning comes from. However even though people in a shared community share some similar background, I would assume every individual person is different and puts something different in a text. With your part on poetry, I felt the same way growing up. I enjoyed poems but not in an academic setting because sometimes the meanings were to hard to uncover. Although after reading Rosenblatt and her ideas on meaning-making we may not have been that wrong after all.

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  2. You both have hit upon the tension between shared and individual meaning. One thing I find interesting is in the definition of community, English class is only one community in which poetry exists. One thing that we might consider is the extent to which we need to help kids identify the norms of different communities.

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